{"id":7570,"date":"2016-04-20T12:38:45","date_gmt":"2016-04-20T16:38:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.duck9.com\/?p=7570"},"modified":"2016-04-21T20:12:00","modified_gmt":"2016-04-22T00:12:00","slug":"mark-cranney-mark-suster-steve-blank-and-me-at-the-crux-of-startup-death-spiral-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.duck9.com\/blog\/mark-cranney-mark-suster-steve-blank-and-me-at-the-crux-of-startup-death-spiral-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Mark Cranney, Mark Suster, Steve Blank and Me at The Crux of Startup Death Spiral"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>\n<div>By Larry Chiang<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>My film school professor mentored me: get in late, get out early. I went to film school in 1998 at USC after I retired in 1996. THIS article is about skirting, avoiding and ducking &#8220;<i>startup death spiral<\/i>&#8220;.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Plot spoiler: startup death spiral begins when two to three engineering cofounders hire a &#8216;V.P. of Sales&#8217;.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>I have a mountain of startup evidence that someone could copy-paste a PhD in business. The evidence supports &#8220;startup&#8217;s die when startup founders outsource sales to a mercenary-they-hire&#8221;. There is an orgasm of evidence that states: death is right around the corner after you fire your first vp of sales. But let us focus on four very sales prolific white dudes:<\/div>\n<div>Mark,<\/div>\n<div>Mark,<\/div>\n<div>Steve<\/div>\n<div>And me.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>This &#8220;research&#8221; I will curate and curated under\u00a0<span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183s<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>FTC disclosure: I financially benefitted from\u00a0<span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183B<\/a>\u00a0being free at Stanford University. Sam Altman loaded up 20\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183b<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">lectures up on my friend Chad and Steve&#8217;s website: <\/span><b style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">YouTube<\/b><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<table style=\"border: 1px solid black; padding: 8px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"bottom\">\n<td width=\"48\"><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 48px; height: 48px; padding-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/613751289587957760\/ZN0VKUOa_normal.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/td>\n<td><b style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">Larry Chiang (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">@LarryChiang<\/a>)<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang\/status\/721494129952182272?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">4\/16\/16, 5:22 PM<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">In\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23SiliconValley&amp;src=hash\">#SiliconValley<\/a>, the CS 183(b) is taught by a dude with a bachelors degree in CS (or a couple credit short I dunno\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><br \/>\nMark Suster and Mark D Cranney:<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<table style=\"border: 1px solid black; padding: 8px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"bottom\">\n<td width=\"48\"><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 48px; height: 48px; padding-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/613751289587957760\/ZN0VKUOa_normal.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/td>\n<td><b style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">Larry Chiang (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">@LarryChiang<\/a>)<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang\/status\/687020760355831808?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1\/12\/16, 1:18 PM<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">similar to no need, no trust, no momentum cc\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/msuster\">@msuster<\/a>. Re; why buy, why you, why now\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mdcranney\">@mdcranney<\/a>&#8216;s\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/wjYNoC1MmR\">a16z.com\/2014\/05\/30\/sel\u2026<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183s<\/a>\u00a0Lec 7<\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><br \/>\nI took the time to copy paste my Nalco Chemical sales trainers diagram. This appears at\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183s<\/a>\u00a0Lec 7.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"9AD39550-4857-44E3-9657-673931D35F7F\" src=\"https:\/\/www.duck9.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/04\/image151.jpg\" alt=\"image1.JPG\" \/><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><span style=\"-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);\">#LarryChiang. No rights reserved.<br \/>\n<\/span><br \/>\n<\/span><\/div>\n<table style=\"border: 1px solid black; padding: 8px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"bottom\">\n<td width=\"48\"><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 48px; height: 48px; padding-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/613751289587957760\/ZN0VKUOa_normal.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/td>\n<td><b style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">Larry Chiang (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">@LarryChiang<\/a>)<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang\/status\/687518688883294210?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1\/13\/16, 10:16 PM<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">Me, Mark\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/msuster\">@msuster<\/a>, Mark\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mdcranney\">@mdcranney<\/a>\u00a0all have eerily parallel sales mentorship:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23NoNeed&amp;src=hash\">#NoNeed<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23NoTrust&amp;src=hash\">#NoTrust<\/a>;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23NoMomentum&amp;src=hash\">#NoMomentum<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183s<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/HevV2TzYHE\">pic.twitter.com\/HevV2TzYHE<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><br \/>\nProfessor Blank&#8230;<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/shV4vNfCBY\">bit.ly\/sblank710<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/xCsdHxGsnX\">bit.ly\/sblank711<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/AXMTvCx1ke\">bit.ly\/sblank712<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0); color: #000000;\"><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/W0znqb3mB8\">bit.ly\/sblank713<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<table style=\"border: 1px solid black; padding: 8px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"bottom\">\n<td width=\"48\"><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 48px; height: 48px; padding-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/613751289587957760\/ZN0VKUOa_normal.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/td>\n<td><b style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">Larry Chiang (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">@LarryChiang<\/a>)<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang\/status\/688054839712976896?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1\/15\/16, 9:47 AM<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">.<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mdcranney\">@mdcranney<\/a>\u00a0in\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/StanfordEng\">@StanfordEng<\/a>\u00a0MS&amp;E 145; 245,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/shV4vNfCBY\">bit.ly\/sblank710<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/xCsdHxGsnX\">bit.ly\/sblank711<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/AXMTvCx1ke\">bit.ly\/sblank712<\/a>\u00a0&amp;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/W0znqb3mB8\">bit.ly\/sblank713<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<table style=\"border: 1px solid black; padding: 8px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"bottom\">\n<td width=\"48\"><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 48px; height: 48px; padding-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/613751289587957760\/ZN0VKUOa_normal.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/span><\/td>\n<td><b style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">Larry Chiang (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">@LarryChiang<\/a>)<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><a style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\" href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang\/status\/687020760355831808?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">1\/12\/16, 1:18 PM<\/span><\/a><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">similar to no need, no trust, no momentum cc\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/msuster\">@msuster<\/a>. Re; why buy, why you, why now\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mdcranney\">@mdcranney<\/a>&#8216;s\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/wjYNoC1MmR\">a16z.com\/2014\/05\/30\/sel\u2026<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/search?q=%23cs183s&amp;src=hash\">#cs183s<\/a>\u00a0Lec 7<\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/download?ref_src=MailTweet-iOS\">Download<\/a>\u00a0the Twitter app<\/span><\/div>\n<table style=\"border: 1px solid black; padding: 8px;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"bottom\">\n<td width=\"48\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 48px; height: 48px; padding-right: 8px;\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/613751289587957760\/ZN0VKUOa_normal.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/td>\n<td><b>Larry Chiang (<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">@LarryChiang<\/a>)<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td colspan=\"2\">\n<div><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/larrychiang\/status\/722819756915449858?refsrc=email&amp;s=11\">4\/20\/16, 9:10 AM<\/a><\/div>\n<div>When 3 engineering cofounders ask to hire a vp of sales, what&#8217;s your answer? <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/Igiuxi5PXX\">twitter.com\/mdcranney\/stat\u2026<\/a><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>All four of us are right there.<\/p><\/div>\n<div>All four of us are saying &#8220;do customer development cycle&#8221;<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><img decoding=\"async\" id=\"48E754CD-D49A-494F-9348-B14201CE0269\" src=\"https:\/\/www.duck9.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/04\/image22.png\" alt=\"image2.PNG\" \/><\/div>\n<div>I&#8217;m the only one saying what&#8217;s on the other three guys minds: The technical cofounder must sell<\/div>\n<div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=eudADPfTWiE&amp;sns=em\"><embed src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/eudADPfTWiE&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"425\" height=\"344\"><\/embed><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=WVKHwYJzVVc&amp;sns=em\"><embed src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/v\/WVKHwYJzVVc&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"425\" height=\"344\"><\/embed><\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Larry Chiang My film school professor mentored me: get in late, get out early. I went to film school in 1998 at USC after I retired in 1996. THIS article is about skirting, avoiding and ducking &#8220;startup death spiral&#8220;. Plot spoiler: startup death spiral begins when two to three engineering cofounders hire a &#8216;V.P. 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